What about the MHC mutations in the immune system are they not “beneficial” and add complexity?

Posted by a “teacher” of evolution:

Any form of mutations caused by the programming of the immune system to create defenses against pathogens is not evolution. For two reasons, 1/ It is designed to do this to keep us alive.  2/ As time goes on and pathogens change these go away and fade out.  3/ It ads no improvements or complexity to the species.

4/ It is impossible for an immune system to evolve, when all the pathogens that digest human cells existed long before the first cell.
5/ The fact that the immune system recognizes that there are pathogens and incorrect cancer cells, that need to be destroyed shows intelligence of recognition of how the world works, in the design of the immune system.  The sun radiation constantly creates and has created cancer cells from the beginning. How did the immune system realize that it needed to remove those cells as incorrectly coded?

The immune system not part of any form of evolution, but clearly shows exceptionally complex design.

What we find is the immune system is degrading rapidly and so are the cells of the human creature.
There are three basic events taking place that show ONLY genetic degradation..

1/ The cells are not recognizable as “self” because they are incorrectly coded to the original master design.  This is why we have autoimmune diseases.  These cells are not recognizable as the original design, so the immune system tries to destroy them as it was designed to.  Any foreign cells must be destroyed and so what we call “normal cells” are actually incorrectly coded and are attacked by the immune system which is “just doing its job”.  The immune system is there to protect us from incorrectly coded and “manufactured” cells, so our screwed up cells are attacked.

2/ The immune programming has been screwed up from mutations and so it can be weak and allow bad cells (cancer) to grow, or can be overly active and simply out of control and attacks even correctly coded cells.  In heart disease this autoimmune diseases attacks the lining of the arteries and etches them where the lipids then attach and harden. After attaching over this etched surface they attract more lipids to themselves and so it keeps building up.  Oil attracts oils.

3/The immune system cannot tell “self” from “not self” much any more and why we have so many people with cancer.   The immune system not destroying cancer cells, because it is so weak and has defective programming from mutations, in so many people that it allows cancer cells to grow uninhibited.

This is how a correctly coded immune system responds to cancer cells.  From electron microscopy in 1988 sources in this short video.

The most commonly believed “mutations” that magically cause evolution are said to be duplications.  However, doing a detailed study on all the modern duplication mutations even as little as two base pairs duplicated are found only to be parts of serious genetic diseases.

These intellectual cripples think that our brains evolved from primates when the primates are just degraded, degrading now and going extinct and have missing “deletions” and screwed up DNA.  This is why they are all going extinct.  There is only degradation leading to extinction.

To have a person who says he is “working on a cancer cure” and that person tells me that there is evolution is like a dog that is eating a rabbit say; “there are no rabbits”.  You make your living off human genetic degradation. Yet you believe in magical nonsense.  All MD’s, nurses, and the entire medical industry makes a living off human genetic degradation, and yet they cannot understand or see the obvious “elephant” in the room.

There would be no need for your services if humans were healthy as they once were.

The list of Evolution’s “beneficial” mutations.

This is just a short list deleterious  mutations, that no matter how far you  stretch reality, are very bad for humans from medical studies:

Evodelusionism Believer: “- Resistance to HIV virus infection in humans due to mutation of CCR5-delta32.
– Resistance to West Nile virus infection in humans due to mutation (involving CCR5).”

The CCR5 Delta 32 deletion actually is very bad for West Nile since we have recorded deaths in younger people who have this polymorphism that reduced their immune system.  The lack of immune proteins can never be a good thing.

Here is a complete list of the diseases associated with the CCR5 Delta 32 DELETION. (By the way, deletions do not add anything, they reduce fitness.)

By the way, deletions do not add anything, they reduce fitness.

In this clear article over 12 genetic diseases from DNA studies on actual humans show the effects of this deleterious mutation all accredited sources from medical studies. 

“- Resistance to atherosclerosis due to gene mutation.”

This is the ApoA-1 Milano (also ETC-216, now MDCO-216) is a naturally occurring mutated variant of the apolipoprotein A1 protein found in human HDL which  actually seems to be good but has not had enough studies on it to:

1/determine the diseases associated with it.

2/ It apparently has some effect on breeding because it is going extinct (maybe it causes sexual/reproductive dysfunction in some way.)   The Evotard fairy of positive selection must have died millions of years ago, because it is not being selected.
“- Mutation of sickle cell anemia that provides a resistance to malaria”

Sickle cell is a disease so it is automatically removed as a beneficial mutation.  And in African Americans it is reduced from 1 in 35 to 1 in 500 or 650 estimated.   Inbreeding with the healthy gene causes it to fade away, because it is BAD.   A “magical beneficial mutation” cannot be part of any disease. 

“- Mutation that causes myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy (enhanced strength)”

This mutation is the famous German child born with this polymorphism, which is also called a “condition”.  (There have been others.)  It normally is caused by a “DELETION” of base pairs in the myostatin regulation for muscle growth.  A Deletion never adds anything to anyone, because it removes information needed for proper health.

By the way, deletions do not add anything, they reduce fitness.

His doctors doubt that it is a good mutation because his heart muscles are overdeveloped and have to much muscle mass, limiting his activities and  will cause this child to be adverse to living life, very limited and will shorten his life..  This mutation is found in cattle in Belgium in which lean meat is made but these steers and bulls are extremely limited and obviously have very short lives. 

The only thing this guy can do is to become a body builder, but his muscles would look like a freak and if his skeleton is not strong enough then severe back and joint problems occur.

You see…When the body is made according to the original design all the parts are in balance.  We had better muscles and bones in the past that were far more balanced and we were MUCH stronger in all ways, bones, brain, muscles, lungs, hair, teeth, eyes and all of it.   http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html
“- Mutation that causes tricho-dento-osseous syndrome (extra dense bones)”

The LPR5 mutation in the regulatory genes of calcium in the body when it is out of balance cases heart diseases.  Heart valves are literally made with too much calcium and have to be surgically repaired.  It shortens life and causes a disease.   The muscles tend to be stiff and not very flexible in these people.  According to medical doctors the regulation of calcium in the body is a very delicate balance and this mutation causes too much calcium in the entire body.


“But many more beneficial mutations are known. Microevolution is accepted even among most modern Creationists. Microevolution is a description of genetic changes within a species due to genetic mutation. Anyone who thinks mutation can’t be beneficial is therefore less informed than a Creationist, which is impressive.”

{This is your typical academically “educated” fool.  Who falls for the oldest trick in the “empires book of indoctrination”. }

I asked for “beneficial mutations” and you gave me diseases that you believe are showing some form of evolution. Deletions of important genetic information is not going to work in your favor, because they remove complexity.  You must show evolution on the molecular level by citing any evidence of INCREASED COMPLEXITY with IMPROVED HEALTH.  So far you have shown the same nonsense as all ignorant and unthinking Evotards; grasping at fantasy. 
“Bacterial resistance to antibiotics is another well known example, but it’s so well known and understood in modern medicine that it hardly even need be mentioned.”

{Listen to the arrogance of this fool.  Bacteria has NEVER evolved. and it has only shown the same thing in every long term study. It degrades the farther away from the environment it was intended.}

Bacteria that has resistance to antibiotics is actually a reduction in fitness.  The MRSA has difficulty digesting foods. The ability to absorb foods is limited and this also causes the limits on absorbing the poisons from the antibiotics. Every microbiologist knows this.

Before you spout off nonsense, you  might want to actually do the research. All of these articles are easy to Google and read.   I am sorry that you are so poorly educated, but the education system and academic “science” (if you can call it science) is greatly harmed by political garbage of liberal socialism, anti God. 

The odd thing is that actual studies of modern humans and their degraded brain functions is clear in Evotards.    Anyone who believes in magical crap is retarded.  All the physical evidence we have on this subject ONLY shows genetic degradation leading to extinction.

It is this sort of thinking of magical “mutations” are going to fix human problems that is part of the problem.  There have never been found even ONE beneficial mutation because it is against science and natural law. 



According to his research, published in two parts starting with last year’s ‘Our fragile intellect. Part I,’ Dr. Crabtree thinks unavoidable changes in the genetic make-up coupled with modern technological advances has left humans, well, kind of stupid. He has recently published his follow-up analysis, and in it explains that of the roughly 5,000 genes he considered the basis for human intelligence, a number of mutations over the years has forced modern man to be only a portion as bright as his ancestors.

“New developments in genetics, anthropology and neurobiology predict that a very large number of genes underlie our intellectual and emotional abilities, making these abilities genetically surprisingly fragile,” he writes in part one of his research. “Analysis of human mutation rates and the number of genes required for human intellectual and emotional fitness indicates that we are almost certainly losing these abilities,” he adds in his latest report.

From there, the doctor goes on to explain that general mutations over the last few thousand years have left mankind increasingly unable to cope with certain situations that perhaps our ancestors would be more adapted to.

“I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000 BC were to appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good memory, a broad range of ideas, and a clear-sighted view of important issues. Furthermore, I would guess that he or she would be among the most emotionally stable of our friends and colleagues. I would also make this wager for the ancient inhabitants of Africa, Asia, India or the Americas, of perhaps 2000–6000 years ago. The basis for my wager comes from new developments in genetics, anthropology, and neurobiology that make a clear prediction that our intellectual and emotional abilities are genetically surprisingly fragile.”

According to the doctor, humans were at their most intelligent when “every individual was exposed to nature’s raw selective mechanisms on a daily basis.” Under those conditions, adaption, he argued, was much more of a matter than fight or flight. Rather, says the scientists, it was a sink or swim situation for generations upon generations.

“We, as a species, are surprisingly intellectually fragile and perhaps reached a peak 2,000 to 6,000 years ago,” he writes. “If selection is only slightly relaxed, one would still conclude that nearly all of us are compromised compared to our ancient ancestors of 3,000 to 6,000 years ago.”


What is the cause of Diabetes?

“Isn’t diabetes caused by diet?  Eating foods high in fat? or what?”

Diabetes is up 366% in 29 years in the USA.

There are two basic types of diabetes and many variations causing different issues.  Type 1 and Type 2 and the full onset Type 1 insulin dependent at any age is now called Type 1.5.

Diabetes is a genetic disease according to medical studies.
People deny their own science, because it doesn’t fit with a fantasy that somehow you are in control of the defects you have inherited from your ancestors.   People hate the idea that they have a destiny caused by the activities of our ancestors that caused us to degrade.

All the diet and exercise you can do will not stop you from dying of some genetic disease you inherited from your ancestors.  You inherited the (sins) genetic mistakes  of your ancestors who were just as stupid as we are chasing after things that cause diseases.

The most you can do with diet and nutrition is to postpone the inevitable.
The American Diabetes Association clearly states that diabetes is genetic with environmental triggers.

Type one is where the “flu” or any infection causes the immune system to destroy your insulin producing cells in your pancreas.  It attacks and destroys “thinking”  the beta cells are pathogens.  This is called a genetic disease, and has NO CURE.   People who are Type 1 diabetes need insulin and will die without it.




The medical industry has never cured any diseases at all.  Yet they get lots of funding to find “cures”.  It is a money train fed by human hopes and fears.  There is nothing you can do to offset the horrible condition mankind is in, except to find the way to peace and joy in the middle of our self imposed genetic suicide we continue on.

“My professors say that humans are “evolving” and only 1/3 of people have diabetes so the other 2/3 must be better off.”

This is the forever “hopeful” humanity but it is not based on any scientific evidence.

You are so full of confusion and ignorance of any human physiology, genetics and medical science there isn’t a good place to start. But I have compassion for you and all those as ignorant as you and for those “professors”, “teachers” and “preachers” who have no clue from being indoctrinated by an ignorant system.

Who really wants to know the truth of our condition?  Who would want to think about the fact that genetic diseases have risen between 200% and 400% in 60 years of human ignorance and denial of how we are made.

You don’t know anything at all about foods, diet, diabetes, what causes fat people causes diabetes, or any real science on that subject.

This is utter nonsense:  “having a high fat diet”  has any relationship to diabetes cause.

Meat which is toxic to humans is a known trigger for diabetes.  Eating MEAT (particularly red meat and processed meats)  taxes the immune system and also triggers diabetes.  There have been over 1000 studies on this since 1917 that I know of.    Because meat is so addictive and toxic humans “love it.”  It is what we call an “inflammatory food.”


Questioner says:
“They are simply [pancreatic beta cells] ‘overused’ though an individual over eating and having a high fat diet….the same consequences occur with everything that is overused.”

Two errors in this statement based on scientific reality ,  facts and not from fairy tale beliefs.   It is sympathetic or compassionate to lie to you and say it is all caused by magic and for no reasons?

Dietary FAT is a SLOW burning carbohydrate and is GOOD for Diabetics and FAT people.
It does not immediately turn into blood sugar as (commercial low fat, high sugar foods) and so it allows SLOW processing as it gives a more constant food supply to your blood stream.  It simply burns slowly and keeps the hunger away longer.  You will notice that “diet bars” have slow digesting high fat foods in them.

Sugar and starchy foods are FAST burning carbohydrates that leave FAT people HUNGRY all the time.  So FAT people are always hungry and constantly taxing their insulin producing organs, from eating LOW FAT.

FAT ( Organic (in all examples) butter, olive and nut oils, cheeses,cream, whole milk and whole yogurts, etc) in your diet has been proven to be not only a diet food for weight loss, it is a good thing, better nourishment.
FAST carbohydrates are BAD things for fat people.

High (organic) FAT is normally better for FAT people to lose weight, but  not overeating and it is satisfying and keeps hunger away.  Because it reduces fat storage and is far better at slow burning carbohydrates to eliminate hunger.  You need to have food available during the day to live on.


When you eat sugars they go directly to fat and then you have nothing to live on, so you eat more to get some glucose in your system, but always too much at a time and too fast, so your body naturally can’t use it up that fast and turns it immediately into fat in your body.  Then you are hungry again because the food is now only in your fat cells.

Fat cells do not put food in your body until you reach a level of exercise or need (from staving yourself) to use it.   Since people don’t starve themselves in an affluent society, the fast carbohydrates sugars are constantly fed and overdosing your blood with sugar that goes immediately into fat cells.

All the foods labeled “Low Fat” are almost always HIGH sugar or High in fast carbohydrates. These crap foods are sold to make money and make people hungry all the time, snacking on “low fat” because it is sold as “good” for them (by the greedy rich elite bastards).  This crap makes you hungry all the time.

On this I am an expert. because of genetically, having a predisposition to TYPE 1 diabetes and avoiding it for 61 years I have personal life knowledge on it.

I have been studying diet for 50 years and practice what I preach, In my studies only reading books by people who actually have success, not from the bullshit published by the meat and processed food lawyers and  lobbies.

My mother didn’t feed us much sugar at all. She was born and raised on a farm and we ate decent foods.

My brothers did not do well when they left home and started on the “fast food” crap high sugar and red meat diets.

Both of my brothers are amputees from not ever listening to any common sense on diet. They never studied anything and simply were victims of the medical/political crap as you are..Their diabetes came on in their 30’s and 40’s.

My next older brother use to put florescent tape on his shoes when he drove so he could find them to press on the accelerator or brakes. He had no feeling in his feet and now has no foot on one leg.

I have been physically fit all my life and it wasn’t until I was 61 years old that is got type 1.5 diabetes; late onset full diabetes from autoimmune destruction of my pancreatic beta cells.  At this very advanced age to get diabetes is considered very rare.  I am remarkable and doctors don’t understand it.  They have never had anyone “like me” as they say.   I have since met a few others like me on the diabetes forums.  They now have a new thread section for “type 1.5”

I got the flu in the winter of 2009 and my screwed up immune system finally destroyed my beta cells.  Now I am full insulin dependent.

You see NO MATTER what your fairy tale beliefs; your weak degraded genetics determines your health and if you are not aware of anything REAL, as you are, you will fall for the bullshit from the “market place”, that is taught in the universities.  You will suffer from your ignorance of health and diet as fed by the rich corporations who own the food markets.

The British diet has been known for a long time to be crap.  At one time (not too long ago 1900) your universities taught that vegetables were bad for your health and tomatoes were poison.   Heavy meat and potatoes was what your scientists taught.  So much for the arguments of authority.

It turns out that the Mediterranean diet of Sicily and parts of Italy is one of the healthiest diets on the planet, next to a small group of people living on Okinawa an island near Japan.

It just amazes me how you fall for emotional controls of your stupid government.  All governments are the same these days. Feed the rich elites and to hell with health, or any decent life. Money, is the god of you and yours.  You can “un-join” this religious crap anytime  you want.  But ego and pride and all the lies you told because you were lied to are your enemy.

You country, UK,  has the fastest rise of breast cancer of any civilized country.  173% in 34 years. Fastest rise of skin cancer of ANY country on earth, including Africa.  1300% rise between 1948 and 2009 in men with skin cancer.

706% rise in syphilis in 10 years.

Apparently, you and your education system have no understanding of health, diet, nor anything from your countries published health statistics.  The proof is in the rampant sickness in your country.

The reality of your condition negates your religion of crap pseudoscience.  That somehow you can live at odds with how you are made and be “healthy” if you get enough drugs and keep eating crap foods.

It is a very diseased and sick society and all I saw on BBC when I was there were complaints about the NHS and complaints about the nanny government.   It is sad to see you all suffering so much in ignorance.  Your country seems like a country of weak whiners who put themselves at the mercy of the rich elites.

Political pride/indoctrination is a disease as are all human belief systems (BS) as I talk about in my very first videos.

The Brits have a long history of rape, pillage and murder for greed.  They are full of blood guilt.  Trying to be a tolerant society out of guilt has only added diseases. They actually think that religious morals are not good, when your ancestors turned to the Bible after the plague killed half the population of Europe in the 1300’s.

Your British (King owned royal church, and indoctrinated dogma) Christianity are the Christians that Mahatma Gandhi was talking about:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Mahatma Gandhi

There is nothing wrong with God or Christ, only with your Christians.